Well, hello everybody do not adjust your dials. It is January 29 2021.

Wow. I am Mark with me as always is my girlfriend. No, my wife. Yeah. Hey, girl. How are you doing Carol?

I’m so happy to be able to say I’m your wife.

How are you doing

crazy, right? I’m doing great. We’ve had a good 25 years here. All right. It’s nuts. It’s good. It’s freeing to be able to speak in the in modern language right? At that we do a great job with

no, I pretty much speak in modern language and retro levy.

I guess we don’t say happening enough. We don’t say radical quiet. Cool beans.

Cool beans, I think is older. I think that’s like 80s

Yeah, maybe we should say What’s that?

Oh, yeah, we should. But

anyway, this is the first episode of a brand new thing that we’re doing. And you’re getting a little sneak peek preview here. If you go to patreon.com slash retro late fee and sign up for our Patreon then you can get an episode every two weeks. Yes, along with other bonus shows that we’re going to be doing and rolling out throughout the next couple months. We have some things on the horizon stuff we’re talking about that we think will be interesting to you guys. And that’s all available there. patreon helps support us helps more you I can plug are finally I can finally plug it supports them in emotionally.

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so weird.

We’re still 25 years into the future. Ya know? So on this show, we are going to this show is going to be a lot like retro Late Fee. But oh, by the way for anyone that’s that’s wondering. I always wonder if people wonder about this. I have another podcast that I do with my my friend Mike called Massive Late Fee. That was the one that came first. And Carol and I you know, we came up with this. I came up with that idea of doing something 25 years ago. And I wanted Carol to do it with me. And it was going to be our Patreon exclusive. For Massive Late Fee, right? And we that’s why we called it retro Late Fee. But I, I liked it so much. I thought I’m just gonna put it out there and it kind of just became its own thing and got its own fan base. And there’s a bunch of people that listen to our show that don’t listen to Massive Late Fee, and I assume vice versa. So,

yeah, that’s what Massive Late Fee is. In case you wondered.

All right. But that’s Yeah, so our show, in essence is Massive Late Fee from the past. But this show is going to be a lot like retro Late Fee, but we’re going and it’s modern time. It’s we’re, we’re, we’re going through this pandemic with you. Yep. We’re going through seizures on the American Capitol with you.

Trump is finally out of the office. Thank you, Lord.

Sorry to talk about politics, everybody.

That’s gonna be the all of it though,

right now, I’m sure well, from time to time,

I don’t wanna

know what No, we’re not gonna cover. We’re not gonna do political news. I want this to be a happy place to sing every once in a while. All right.

Like, like, Lately, I’ve been binge watching a bachelor in paradise. Well, I’m working from home, because I pretend that life is happier. And and, you know, there’s like, crabs running around on the beach.

There’s, trust me, there’s crabs, around and all around the last habitat for crabs.

But it’s just it’s just nice to have Happy Places that 2020 never touched. So that’s correct.

Anyway, so but we’re so we’ll do we’re gonna go through reviews of stuff we’re watching now, stuff we’re watching in the modern times. Most of what we watch now is on Netflix or HBO Max, or, you know, the streaming stuff. So we’re going to talk about that. We’re going to probably talk about movies we see might do some entertainment news kind of stuff. We might have some other some other segments that we you know, that we can’t do on retro Late Fee.

Yeah, I’m sure it will change just like retro Late Fee changed over time.

But, but essentially, we’re going to be doing the same show, but it’s in the modern age. So for the first thing, we’re going to talk about something from back in 2013. Yeah.

So long ago, modern. Yeah. Um, but no. Okay. True Blood.

I love True Blood.

And I’m excited to talk about it. Actually, real quick, though, before we get into True Blood because true bone is going to be like our main segment. True, but let us actually talk about something that’s really modern. Sure. We’re watching one division.

Yes, we are.

What do you think of one division so far?

I don’t think I like it. Yeah. Like, I’m lost, kind of,

I mean, it’s a lot like lost

you explain it to me, because you’ve done all the research, but like, we don’t read the comics. And so all these little like nuances. I don’t get them. And each episode is, like its own contained little episodes from the past.

Yeah. And shitty idea.

Right. So like, the first one was 52nd. One was 16th. And the one we watched last night was the 70s.

A lot of people don’t get that, by the way, that the second episode, because it’s both they’re both in black and white. Right? So many people I mentioned this on Massive Late Fee. I’ve heard so many people say, Oh, you know, like, oh, it starts out in the 50s. And then like, it’s like, know that the second episode is the 16th. The she brings the beds together, and it makes it into one bed. She’s wearing like Capri slacks. So the fashions different. It’s like B which Yeah, it’s it’s, it’s an early it’s goes from a 50 show to an early 60s show then into the 70s.

Isn’t that a different house every time or is it just decorated? That dynamic is

just decorated differently? I think it’s the same house similar layout, but it’s just decorated different.

Hmm. Okay. It’s a nice idea. But I would like to know more about what’s actually going on because it’s like you spend the whole episode just watching these contained stories. And that’s kind of what it feels like, like I’m watching an old rerun or something.

I go back and forth on it. See, that’s the thing. I don’t know. If it was Steve Rogers, Captain America and Peggy Carter. Okay, then it might be more interesting. I don’t know that. Wanda maximoff. Scarlet Witch, and vision are interesting enough characters to really carry this premise. But Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany are both really good. Yeah, in the show and they’re growing on me their characters are growing on me. But in the movies, their characters are kind of one dimensional and a little bland.

There’s still Kind of one dimensional and a little bland.

I mean, I think they’re becoming more well rounded though.

I got a she. So she

his vision is still one dimensional. But

yeah, I don’t know what motivates them.

Well, he’s dead for one. And so I don’t that’s the part of the problem is I don’t know what we’re seeing, right? I’m starting to get it that she’s created this world where vision is still alive. But I don’t know what year it is in the real world outside of where they are. I don’t know what the stakes are,

I mean, if she’s just created this, now, I can come up with stuff in my head. Maybe she’s created this world and it’s slowly growing, growing and growing and taking over more and more of the actual real world and sucking more people in. And it’s a danger. Or maybe not maybe nothing sad. Maybe not. Maybe she’s just lost in this world of her own making.

Right? Well, I have a feeling we’re gonna find out more in the next episode, because they finally made a connection with the outside world in this episode. Yeah.

It’s a slow burn the show. But yeah, like you said, it’s too much. The last episode was not so much. The sitcom plot, she’s pregnant, and she’s going to have a kid, very accelerated. But they spend a lot more time on the mystery surrounding things than they do the ad like a sitcom plot? Yeah, they’re starting to lean more into an I assume that they’ll continue to do that. But the first couple episodes, especially the first episode, it’s like, this is just an episode of I Love Lucy.

Right. And it was really bizarre basically

it with with one thing at the end. That was like, That’s weird. And then the second episode was more like was pretty much an episode of bewitched, with a little more of what the fuck is going on here. And then this last episode, was more of what’s going on? Yeah. The the,

I just want to know what’s going on here.

What her her What do you call it? Her subterfuge or whatever? Her illusion is breaking down? Yeah. And it continues to break down more and more and more envisions discovering things like neighbors, you know, tearing into his wall? Yeah, with their hedge clipping equipment, because they don’t. They’re not doing what they’re supposed to be doing. Or they don’t know what the fuck is going on or whatever. And she’s had to stop him from seeing that beekeeper dude in the last episode. And then she, she changed like, he sat down. He’s like, something’s wrong here. You don’t know. And she, we didn’t even see it. She just kind of magically it’s but we’re back in time didn’t reverse or anything. And, you know, but he went another way. He she made him go another way. So it’s like, I don’t know what’s. I don’t even know what he is. That’s part of the problem. I don’t know what he is.

Yeah, yeah. We don’t know if he is dead because he was dead in the movie. Or like, Is there a time when he was alive? Is that his soul? Is it somebody she’s pretending?

I don’t know. All I know, is that the last time we saw him Thanos was ripping that stone out of his head. And I don’t think he has the stone. It’s hard for me to see he does. Isn’t it just painted that color? Is the stone actually in there?

I thought it was off to look closer next

time. Yeah, I’m thinking it’s just painted. I’m thinking that stones not actually in there. Because the stone shouldn’t be there anymore.

Again, though, you’re, you’re assuming that this is in continuity with movies. And

it is that they that’s what they’ve said, they’ve said that this is going to tie into the movies. But the Netflix ones didn’t really tie into the movies that much, but these ones are. And I don’t think this would be a time before Thanos It doesn’t make sense for me to me, because then like why wouldn’t anyone talk about them? all the time? Wanna went nuts? Right. So I think this is sometime after. I just don’t know. I there’s a lot of there’s a lot of questions we don’t have answers to and that’s what’s frustrating about the show.

But hopefully, we’ll get more answers. And it will be less frustrating. Yeah,

I just want I want a solid center. That’s what I need. I feel like the show doesn’t have a solid core nucleus right now. Right. And we feel adrift and I want that solid. What can I grab onto in the show? So hopefully that comes in the 80s next week.

I’m excited for the 80s though. I like it.

Yeah. And then the 90s be All that in a bag of chips.

All right.

So True Blood. We’ve been watching True Blood on HBO

max really made it through the first season. So spoilers for the first season first

time I’ve ever watched the first season of a Trueblood or any of Trueblood.

Yeah. Well, I read all the books and watched the first season maybe the second season A while ago,

but I want to do bad things with you.

I love the intro to that.

I guess we should start at the beginning, right? I don’t know. How do you want to? How do you want to do this? This is your red wagon. You paint it however you want to.

Okay, um, was

their responsibility. Okay. Oh. Oh, what? I just heard her child screaming. Oh, our children are screaming go. We can acknowledge that we have kids. I’m so sorry everybody. This is so unprofessional. This is what it’s come to 2021 we would never do this to you on virtual a fee. And you’re paying for this. paying money every month for this. Why wouldn’t we do this to you? She’s still not back. I wonder if somebody broke them. Like, Are they dead? No.

They shouldn’t be cuz I should kill them. Yeah, whatever. Fellow screamed like that because she was trying to scare them.

Oh my god.

It’s like, Oh, she forget or recording or what?

Terrible, terrible kids. There are no kids on drew blood.

Here, right. Oh, no, no, no, that’s not true. The redhead has kids. Oh, yeah, that’s right. She’s

got two kids. Yeah. She’s the only parents in the entire town.

So okay, we’ve got Sookie Stackhouse

She is the main character in the show,

played by Anna Paquin,

who I think is gorgeous. And he thinks is like, gorgeous.

Yeah. It’s such as though no offense Anna Paquin. That’s such a stretch.

First of all, she’s got a Lauren Hutton style gap in her teeth. Or teeth in general, just not great. And she’s not my type. She’s not ugly. She’s not my type.

I think she’s very cute. And she has a nice body. And

what’s the last time I remember seeing her before this? was when she won an Oscar it nine years old or whatever? Five.

how talented. She must be though. That’s crazy. It’s kind of talented.

Not the best actress in the world. There’s no one on this show. That is what I would consider at the top of the acting game. Yeah, except for maybe Alexander skarsgard.

I think at that time he was working on it. That’s the I don’t think he was he was there yet. Like, I think he’s doing better now than he was then. Don’t you? I don’t know.

I don’t have much to compare it to. Because I haven’t seen him and

I thought. Wait, you and Mike talks about Trueblood Ray. Well, a little bit. Yeah. Didn’t Mike mentioned him? Yeah, he’s in the stand.

But I haven’t seen that.

See? So okay, so he’s doing something else now, too. Anyway,

Bill skarsgard. His brother was Pennywise.

Yeah. And he was in a show that no one ever talks about. And sometimes I feel like I dropped that it exists called hemlock Grove.

Oh, yeah, that’s great.

But I loved it.

I loved how you read those books too. Well, there’s only one one book. Remember that you showed me the one sentence and you’re like, what does this mean? or whatever? And I was like, Oh, that’s terrible grammar.

Yeah, he’s not a fan of the author of hemlock Grove.

I just don’t the writing is. You get offended when I see bad writing from people that sell a lot of books.

Well, you know what, though? It’s, it’s because the story is good. I mean, back Back in the day, good. Your stories are really fantastic. Okay. But you can’t hate on people for liking a good story, even if the grammar is not

a great choice.

Well, people used to sit around the frickin like campfire telling stories, right? It wasn’t even written. Sure. So I mean, I’m just saying I don’t think that like the story is most important part like their grammar was

what’s not good. I don’t know. Oh, go? I think, sir, I think even he imagined grammar nazis in the caveman days, right? Don’t you mean? Ugh, erg? This dude thinks that you are G and you are gh Use them.

I like books for their stories. I I’m sorry. Like, it’s not like I don’t enjoy classics. But

yes, stories are important. Yes,

True Blood. True Blood in this world.

Do you want to buy some True Blood? Can you buy a triplet? But you can.

I bet you could in 2013 up.

Wow, I just came up with it that year. I don’t know that. Oh, the Hallmark. I just pulled that year on it. See, we

can look stuff up and even say we’re looking stuff up because you know, the internet

exists. Google exists. Yeah, we have phones. So does flutter gork Plus, oh, wait, you guys aren’t there yet? Would you stop wanting four to six in the house? weirdo. I am 66 years old. That’s a frightening thought. Oh my god, get your glasses.

I’m so old. Actually. It’s even older. 22,000 2008 the first season was 2008.

So that’s only 13 years ago.

Yeah, I guess that is a while. Yeah,

maybe we should have set that we should have done this or just set this into this.

Right because we were talking about doing a different one where we do random years.

Oh, don’t spoil it for people.

All right. Well, you can edit it out.

Anyway. Trueblood

this Okay, so this exists no robber vampires have come out and said, you know, hey, we’re here kind of like closet kinda like, you know, homosexuals coming out that we’re here.

We’re undead.

Get used to it. Yeah. So for some reason, though, there are all these other kinds of magical creatures in this universe, but they’re not

out. It makes no sense to me just vampire world. This world is nuts. There are so many different kinds of mythological beings that just are living under our noses and nobody knew.

Right? Well because there’s like, like Sam Marula is a shapeshifter

and turned into a little puppy.

And the bird or badass

birds or hardy said, cats he could do.

Oh, he can’t do a bird.

He said he can do a bird but it’s hard flying. He said he could never fly. Hmm. Never get the flying down. That sucks. Yeah, he sucks.

But like I know from having read the books that there’s also like, where Panthers and where Tigers? And like, I think pretty much all different kinds of animals.

Mermaids are men.

And then Sookie can read people’s minds.

Yes. Yeah, well, and because I read the books. I know why that is what I won’t spoil it for you because we’re just talking about season one.

Oh, okay. cuz she’s something to see now. Now you’re gonna have me thinking all about when you shouldn’t have anything,

because then you’ll want to watch it more. Yeah. So I’ll just I’ll just read it. She starts dating bill Compton, who is their neighbor who is also a vampire. And his family owned the property like when he was alive. And he just kept it the whole time.

I guess. I don’t know.

confused by that. Like, I don’t remember exactly how he

I think maybe he inherited it. Actually. I think his last living relative died or something like that. And then he got it. He got it because now vampires have rights. Right. Some rights anyway. So he was able to inherit it, I believe.

Yeah, I got the feeling like it was new that he wasn’t there. Yeah. So. Okay, so him insecure dating. And her brother Jason.

You’ll often find them in the car necking.

Haha. Her brother Jason is just a giant man. And every woman he sleeps with dies ends up dead. Why is he only sleeping with girls that are sleeping with vampires? What’s up with that?

I don’t think that that’s so he sleeps with more debt, I think. And she had slept to the vampire. Yeah. And then the girl that he was dating. What’s her name? Lizzy Caplan? She She didn’t sleep with a vampire but she was killed for doing v.

But was there another one?

Now like so.

Oh, okay.

I don’t know why I thought there was this grandmother gets killed. Yeah. And then turns out the guy’s sister got killed because he killed her. And then I’m trying to think who the other victim was. There was I think there was one other victim. But was it somebody that he slept with to?

Maybe it was? I feel like it was

wasn’t there another waitress that worked at the bar that he had had sex with the woman is she introduced him to be I think or something. I don’t know, right.

I don’t know. My memory is not that good.

I think he slept with another waitress at the bar. Yeah, but she ended up dead too. But so that’s like three waitresses he went through. Sam must be pissed too,

right? Yeah, Sam’s having a hard time keeping up there.

Do you think terrorists fucking vampires?

No, she’s fucking shapeshifters. Right? Oh, yeah, that’s another thing that exists and

doesn’t know that though.

That’s true. But that’s another thing that exists is the black people

as black people.

Or I guess it doesn’t exist because it was a fraud like an exorcism. Yeah. You were all like, it’s so fun watching it because I know stuff. And he doesn’t. He’s like, do you think it was real? I believe that in a world with vampires demons exist. And just like Yeah, sure.

It’s real. How fun for you.

It is. So what do you think of the whole Sam and Bill and Sookie love triangle?

I hate it. I think it’s dumb and trite. Okay. So,

see, it kind of reminds me I wish I had better

thoughts on it. But it reminds me of Jacob and Bella.

And, and I am team Team Jacob and I am team Sam. Okay.

I don’t care. I don’t like Sookie. I, I don’t think she’s a good person. I don’t think she’s a good character. And I don’t particularly care for bill that much either. And I have said on more than one occasion, Sam’s fine. I’ve said on more than one occasion. If, if I were in this world, so because it’s a TV show, I can easily route for the for the vampires and be like, Oh, they shouldn’t, you know, be just I can see the allegory because it’s obviously an allegory to homosexuality. It’s an allegory to African Americans. It’s an allegory to any you can you can twist it to be an allegory for pretty much any oppressed group, right. But it’s mostly homosexuality and some, you know, civil rights stuff today. And I can easily because it’s a show, I can easily connect with the people that are fighting for equal rights for these people, because of the allegory. But if I lived in this world, I, I’d want to kill as many of you I’d be fuckin vampire hunter, I’d want to kill as many of them as possible. They are, it doesn’t matter how nice they try to be. They’re predators. Human beings are their prey. It’s like be or be killed. It’s like saying that, oh, we just we’re just gonna live in, in in harmony with these tigers. We’re just, they’re just going to be in and out of our neighborhoods and stuff like that. Maybe we’ll start relationships with some of them. And then occasionally, some of us will get eaten. That’s just that that’s just the cost of doing business in order to give them their free rights.

Here’s the thing though, is like with Bill, you know, he’s trying to be nice and stuff, but he’s like the only vampire I can think of that we’ve met so far. Anyway, that is

Yeah, that’s why I’m saying most of them are kind of assholes.

Yeah. So I mean, it does make it hard to root for them and and as a whole I can root for bill because I know you know, he’s trying to be a gentleman and he’s trying to look out for a sucky and you know,

yeah, I bills. Fine. I guess I don’t particularly. He’s He’s a very flat uninteresting character to me. Yeah. And Sookie, I don’t like I think she’s selfish and just weird and I just don’t like her character.

She’s supposed to be weird.

I really don’t like her character. Sam is fine. He’s a little vanilla. But he’s okay. And I mean, he’s got some stuff going on now with his past and his parents now that we’re actually finding some more about out about him. But I like Jason. I like Tara, I like Tara’s cousin. I can’t remember. Who’s fucking he’s my favorite dad now. Probably. I like him. I like a lot of the side characters and what they’re going through. I just I find Sookie insufferable.

She is kind of annoying, so I don’t

I don’t care who she ends up with. Doesn’t matter to me. Like that. That’s an you know, I guess that’s maybe a detriment to the show. But there’s enough about the rest of it that I like. Like even the that the detective Belfour. Oh God, I

hate him so much.

But he’s an interesting character. I don’t like him as a character, but he’s an interesting character. Like soucis. And, and it’s easy to hate him because he’s kind of like an antagonist. When you’re when you’re supposed to star your protagonist is fucking annoying. And you don’t like them as a person as a character. It’s hard. You know, it’s like, like with breaking bed and stuff like that. Right? Like he’s like he’s an antihero, but there’s a lot we can root for about him. He has enough redeeming qualities at least at the beginning that you can really even when he does fucked up shit, you can be like, yeah, kill those fuckers. Like for him if she turned bad. I’d be like, well, fucking good riddance to you. I there’s nothing I want I wrote about for her.

What is it about her that you don’t like so much?

Most? Like I said, the biggest thing is she’s selfish. She’s very she’s a very self centered character. She cares about what’s good for her what she needs. Oh, bills. Like wouldn’t Bill had to go defend himself? Yeah, saves her life. That’s true. Bill has to go defend himself to the vampires. And she’s like, Oh, he’s not here. If he if he really cared, he’d be here for me. And shit. It’s like he’s in big trouble because of you, you fucking whiny selfish bastard. And she’s like that in a lot. She gets in a fight with Tara at one point, she does not give a shit about what happens to terror or anything going on with terrorists. She just cares about herself. Everyone is supposed to like, bend to her. As opposed to her take you as a protagonist, she would naturally take center stage. But it’s like so in Star Wars, for instance, right. Luke Skywalker is the main character, the protagonist, he’s our viewpoint character because he’s coming into this larger world. So we’re learning everything as he’s learning it similar to Sookie she’s learning stuff along with us or we’re learning stuff along with her. But he fits in with all these different people when when he’s on the Millennium Falcon Han Solo is in charge. He’s part of that that adventure and everything. But he’s not. He doesn’t have to make it all about him. Han Solo gets to take center stage or or Princess Leia gets to take center stage or like even Chewbacca sometimes gets to take center stage right? Sookie always has to be center stage. She can’t fit in, in a dynamic with any anybody else. Because everything it’s like, She’s like a black hole. All gravity must bend towards her. And I don’t I don’t like that in a character.

And I feel like that might be at least partially due. Do you know her parents passing away when she was young? And she was the baby. Right? So and Jason feels responsible. So he probably baby it her? Yeah. And then their grandma probably baby both of them. Right? Because you know, tragedy. So

That’s part of it. Yeah. Um, what do you think about this teenage brat? There’s one market in there. A girl? technically a kid? Sure. Bill. Well, she’s I think she’s gotta be like, 1617

is that what she’s supposed to be?

I think so.

actresses gotta be like, 22

you think?

Yes. Well, I

don’t know. She’s annoying as fuck. Yes, she is. Um, and bratty.

So the dude from Big Love. What’s her name? Nikki’s first husband and Nick Love is the magistrate I think they call him basically he’s the head judge for the region. I don’t know they I guess they’re set up like organized crime or something like that. Like the mafia.

Yeah, it’s kind of like that in White Wolf. Which is a role playing what it’s a it’s a role playing game where you play like your vampires that that’s kind of White

Wolf. Yes. Why?

I don’t know there’s that yeah. Yeah, there’s wolves and members. I’m gonna be called White vampire. Because Well, I

just biracial vampire. Let’s be progressive.

Okay. Anyway, continue.

Would it be so it’s like the black black Dracula was black yellow, would it be? melodic, melodic. What the fuck lotto is not a politically correct term anymore. No, biracial? So Dracula? Dr. acula.

I don’t I don’t even know how to respond to you right now.